"I have never found anything in acting that gave me the kind of satisfaction that I get from teaching, directing, working with young people, watching them develop something, watching them, uh, grow from, you know, from the first day of rehearsal to opening, helping them through the the pains of being in the theatre, the the pains of of maybe a show failing they all the things that happen to people in life and to artists in particular because I just think they need a special kind of thick kindness coupled with the sensitivity, you know, And how do you How do you marry those two needs, You know?"​